"Were You Ever Even Vaguely An Obama Supporter?"

In response to a comment I made on another diary I was asked the question that is the title of this one.  I started to reply and then realized that this needs to be a diary of its own.

As a matter of fact, I was an enthusiastic Obama supporter for over two years.  His speech at the 2004 Democratic convention blew my spouse and me away.  I couldn't wait to vote for this man.  Here, I thought, is a true leader and we will see him lead us through the next four years.  I even told all my friends and family that this man should be the next President of the United States.

I was wrong.  Here is why.  

I am uniquely positioned to observe Barack Obama.  I live in Iowa, right across the river from Illinois.  I can see Obama's district from where I sit at my computer.  Two of our three broadcast network stations are based in that Illinois district, so we get a lot of news about the state.  Anything said or done by Barack Obama is covered well.

After the convention I watched newscasts daily, looking for news about Barack Obama.  I just knew there would be great things coming from him and couldn't wait to see the reports on my TV.

Those reports never materialized.  No speeches, few appearances, no evidence whatsoever of the leadership I was sure was there.  What little he did or said was obviously carefully scripted in terms of how it would affect his chances in the 2006 run for the Senate.  He was riding the wave from 2004 right into Washington and he didn't even need to paddle the boat.

Even then, when he was elected to the Senate in 2006 I was still a firm Obama supporter.  "Now we're gonna see some leadership," I said to hubby.  "This guy's a Senator!"  (Hubby just smiled.  By that time he had figured it out.  I'm a little slower and much more stubborn.)

Once again, silence.  Public appearances were few.  There was no legislation from him, except for a couple of no-brainer bills that even Republicans voted for.  I could find no indication that he understood the problems we face and had solutions for any of them.  It quickly became obvious that the next two years would be devoted solely to positioning himself for the 2008 campaign, though he had promised the voters of Illinois that he would serve his full term in the Senate if elected.  

Once I realized that leadership was going to be a problem I started looking at his experience.  That was when I knew I'd been wrong.  His experience is no better than his leadership.  He has two years in national office and much of that time was spent away from Washington campaigning.  That is not enough experience, given the mess we're in.

Now it's becoming plain that his temperament is no better than his experience or his leadership.  But the evidence of his character flaws is just a sideshow.  We need a leader.  We need someone who can speak for all Americans.  We need an individual who understands what it is like to be the leader of the most powerful nation on earth.

What we do not need is a neophyte, running on a platform of unity, who gives the brush-off to everyone who dares to disagree with him.  We do not need someone who speaks pretty words but can't get a job done.

Barack Obama can't lead and he won't follow.  I wish he'd get the hell out of the way.



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Re: "Were You Ever Even Vaguely (2.00 / 0)

I'm a former Clinton supporter who - like one in five Democrats - switched to Obama.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 02:00:57 PM EST

Re: "Were You Ever Even Vaguely (2.00 / 2)

Could you explain why you feel he is the best qualified for the job?  For example, why do you feel that his approach to our healthcare crisis is better?  Or, what specifically convinced you that he has a better understanding of our economy than Hillary?  Thanks.


by bobbank on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 03:33:13 PM EST
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Re: "Were You Ever Even Vaguely (2.00 / 1)

" I can see Obama's district from where I sit at my computer.  Two of our three broadcast network stations are based in that Illinois district"

What district is that?


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 02:02:32 PM EST

Re: Obama's "District" (2.00 / 2)

I realized after I'd put the diary up that all of Illinois is Obama's "district".


by creeper1014 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 02:08:45 PM EST
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Re: Obama's "District" (2.00 / 0)

Ok, just wanted to make sure you were clear on that.

I have personally worked with him and Tammy Duckworth on VA issues, and it will be a privilege to call him my Commander-in-chief.


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 02:14:27 PM EST
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Re: Tammy Duckworth (2.00 / 4)

I consider her loss in 2006 one of the major political tragedies of recent years.  The Republican campaign was textbook Rove but what hurt almost as much was the VFW's endorsement of her Republican opponent, a man with no military experience.

It is election results like this and Max Cleland's and John Kerry's races that convince me Barack Obama cannot win the GE.  He has already provided John McCain with all the ammunition the Republican party needs to shoot him.  


by creeper1014 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 02:36:03 PM EST
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Re: Tammy Duckworth (none / 0)

I would cheer up, and quit being 'concerned' as I doubt she will garner the over 200 out of 300 supers remaining.

Like her or not . . . she ran a bad campaign.

I am VERY confident that McCain will be torn apart by numerous 527's

Obama has a more active base, more money, and the people in-between will vote for neither.


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 03:43:49 PM EST
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Re: Tammy Duckworth (2.00 / 1)

Like her or not . . . she ran a bad campaign.

Aided immeasurably by Barack Obama.

Read Sirota's piece for a better take on Obama's efforts on behalf of Duckworth.


by creeper1014 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 05:12:21 PM EST
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Re: Tammy Duckworth (1.00 / 1)

HRC was who I was talking about.

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Sirota doesn't have a CLUE!

I was on the ground working my heart out for her, and met Obama & Durbin doing the same.

DO NOT try to drag Obama down with this. I was there trying to get her elected in a GOP district and she came very close.


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 05:25:21 PM EST
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Re: Tammy Duckworth (2.00 / 1)

You troll-rated me for a simple misunderstanding?

Way to go, guy!

In fact, that was so bad you can have it back.


by creeper1014 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 07:04:58 PM EST
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Re: Tammy Duckworth (none / 0)

That is fine. I deserved mine, but to call out Obama's efforts for Tammy using hearsay got me a little upset.

I hope Morgenthaler can ride Obama's coattails and beat the incumbent the way we beat Oberweis.


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 07:24:35 PM EST
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Were YOU Ever An Obama Supporter? (2.00 / 2)

Or are you still?


by creeper1014 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 02:03:28 PM EST

And so? (none / 0)

I have had the dubious honour of voting for Hillary twice already, with diminishing enthusiasm each time, largely as a consequence of her AUMF vote.  So what?


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 02:03:47 PM EST

"Accomplishments" (none / 0)

I'm personally *shocked& that Obama hasn't passed groundbreaking legislation thus far.  I mean, Congress has gotten a ton done during that time.  Wait...

GWB is still in office, and we don't have enough Democrats in the Senate to pass anything of real value.  As a result, neither Senator Obama nor Senator Clinton have much in the way of legislative accomplishments under their belt from their time as Senators.  That, in party, is why I think they're both running for the top job.  You can get more done there.  Why you single Obama out for such failures, but not Clinton, makes no sense to me.  

As far as "experience" goes, you didn't realize that he was a young guy who hadn't held Federal office before you soured on him?  Again, not sure how that makes sense.  Regardless, the guy has been an effective elected offical longer than Hillary and has interesting and useful experience outside of politics -- as does Hillary, I would note.  If all we wanted was time in Washington, John McCain would be the best choice...  


by HSTruman on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 02:27:14 PM EST

Re: "Accomplishments" (1.80 / 5)

It's not that he didn't pass any legislation.  It's that he didn't even introduce it.

The sin is not in having failed.  It is in not having tried.

So much for "Yes, we can."


by creeper1014 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 02:37:44 PM EST
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Oops, meant it to go here (none / 0)

Nov 2, 2005
CHICAGO TRIBUNE
By Jeff Zeleny
Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON -- Two months after walking amid piles of munitions haphazardly scattered at a decrepit plant in Ukraine, two Midwestern senators introduced legislation Tuesday designed to keep conventional weapons from terrorists by eliminating stockpiles throughout the former Soviet Union.

Sen. Richard Lugar (R-Ind.), chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, and one of the panel's newest members, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), said shoulder-fired missiles, abandoned land mines and other weapons could be as dangerous as a nuclear threat. The legislation seeks to add conventional weapons to the Cooperative Threat Reduction Program, which has been eliminating nuclear arms in Russia for more than a decade.

Date: January 30, 2007

Obama Offers Plan to Stop Escalation of Iraq War, Begin Phased Redeployment of Troops
Goal to Redeploy All Combat Brigades out of Iraq by March 31, 2008

WASHINGTON - U.S. Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) today introduced binding and comprehensive legislation that not only reverses the President's dangerous and ill-conceived escalation of the Iraq war, but also sets a new course for U.S. policy that can bring a responsible end to the war and bring our troops home.

November 09, 2005

WASHINGTON - U.S. Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) Tuesday introduced legislation to protect Americans from using tactics that intimidate voters and prevent them from exercising their rights on Election Day.


by rhetoricus on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 03:03:14 PM EST
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TR'd for false info (none / 0)

Correct yourself.


by rhetoricus on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 03:05:13 PM EST
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Re: TR'd for false info (2.00 / 1)

Countered troll rating with mojo to offset intimidation tactics. =)

In its March 9th pieces, Star Power, Minor Role, the NY Times confirmed through multiple interviews with members of both parties that Barack Obama had greatly distorted his record of accomplishment, and that, in fact, he really didn't do much.

As they conclude:

[H]e did not play a significant role in passing much other legislation and disappointed some Democrats for not becoming a more prominent voice in other important debates.


by bobbank on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 03:37:04 PM EST
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Re: TR'd for false info (none / 0)

The false accusation was that he'd never introduced any legislation. Stop moving the goalposts, and one Clinton stooge's opinion does not a fact make.

Falsehoods SHOULD be troll-rated.


by rhetoricus on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 03:56:18 PM EST
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Re: TR'd for false info (none / 0)

And are you accusing CSPAN Chicago Tribune and the Daily Herald  of distorting his record too?

Wow, those accusations are piling up.


by rhetoricus on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 04:04:11 PM EST
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To the Extent That Mr. Obama's Name (2.00 / 2)

was on these bills, I stand corrected.

Anyone can write a bill...or have their staffers do it for them.  None of the legislation you cited passed or even saw much effort on Obama's part to get it through.

David Sirota, at The Nation (!) said it well:

But considering that he's one of the most famous politicians in America, the accomplishments are fairly mundane.

Full text here:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060626/si rota

Please read it.  It's a real eye-opener, not the least because it comes from a magazine that has endorsed Obama.


by creeper1014 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 03:57:55 PM EST
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"...the credit belongs to (2.00 / 1)

the man/woman who is actually in the ring...."


by 4justice on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 03:07:01 PM EST
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Re: "Accomplishments" (2.00 / 1)

Actually, here's a partial list of the bills Obama has sponsored:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.x pd?tab=bills&id=400629


by HSTruman on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 03:08:09 PM EST
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Re: "Accomplishments" (2.00 / 2)

Excellent link.  

I note that of the sixty-three pieces of legislation which bear his name as either sponsor or co-sponsor, exactly three have passed.  They are:

S.Con.Res. 25: A concurrent resolution condemning the recent violent actions of the Government of Zimbabwe against peaceful opposition party activists and members of civil society.

S.Res. 268: A resolution designating July 12, 2007, as "National Summer Learning Day".

S.Res. 133: A resolution celebrating the life of Bishop Gilbert Earl Patterson.

Please see my previous reference to "no-brainers".

Senator Clinton's introduced legislation is available for perusal also:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.x pd?tab=bills&id=300022

There are one hundred twelve pieces of legislation listed there.  Of them, eight have passed.  They bear descriptions such as:

S.Res. 141: A resolution urging all member countries of the International Commission of the International Tracing Service who have yet to ratify the May 2006 amendments to the 1955 Bonn Accords to expedite the ratification process to allow for open access to the Holocaust archives located at Bad Arolsen, Germany.

Mrs. Clinton's two most recent pieces of legislation were introduced on April 15 and April 17 of this year...just last week.  Mr. Obama's most recent efforts date to December 7 and December 19, 2007.  But then, he's been busy running a campaign.


by creeper1014 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 05:03:36 PM EST
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Re: "Accomplishments" (none / 0)

Wow, what a huge difference.  (note snark)

Neither has much in the way of legislative accomplishments, primarily because (1) we don't have enough Democratic Senators; (2) GWB still exists; and (3) they don't have much seniority.  Looking at the data you provided only confirms that's the case.  It baffles me that ya'll seriously think otherwise.    


by HSTruman on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 09:41:25 AM EST
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Yes, We Can (none / 0)

Nov 2, 2005
CHICAGO TRIBUNE
By Jeff Zeleny
Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON -- Two months after walking amid piles of munitions haphazardly scattered at a decrepit plant in Ukraine, two Midwestern senators introduced legislation Tuesday designed to keep conventional weapons from terrorists by eliminating stockpiles throughout the former Soviet Union.

Sen. Richard Lugar (R-Ind.), chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, and one of the panel's newest members, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), said shoulder-fired missiles, abandoned land mines and other weapons could be as dangerous as a nuclear threat. The legislation seeks to add conventional weapons to the Cooperative Threat Reduction Program, which has been eliminating nuclear arms in Russia for more than a decade.

Date: January 30, 2007

Obama Offers Plan to Stop Escalation of Iraq War, Begin Phased Redeployment of Troops
Goal to Redeploy All Combat Brigades out of Iraq by March 31, 2008

WASHINGTON - U.S. Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) today introduced binding and comprehensive legislation that not only reverses the President's dangerous and ill-conceived escalation of the Iraq war, but also sets a new course for U.S. policy that can bring a responsible end to the war and bring our troops home.

November 09, 2005

WASHINGTON - U.S. Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) Tuesday introduced legislation to protect Americans from using tactics that intimidate voters and prevent them from exercising their rights on Election Day.


by rhetoricus on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 03:01:45 PM EST

Try again. (none / 0)

Believe it or not, junior senators serving their first term in the senate aren't the ones chosen to introduce bills on the senate floor.  Despite that, Coburn-Obama and Lugar-Obama are two bills that bear his name.  So correct yourself and do some research.


by shalca on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 03:02:27 PM EST

Re: "Were You Ever Even Vaguely An Obama (none / 0)

"I am uniquely positioned to observe Barack Obama."

Methinks you misspeak a tad when you use the "uniquely" word.

(the seriously point  being that there are a lot of people whose observations of Senator Obama are just as good as yours - even those of them who come to a different conclusion to you)


by My Ob on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 03:27:23 PM EST

Re: "Were You Ever Even Vaguely An Obama (2.00 / 1)

A fair rebuttal.


by bobbank on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 03:29:35 PM EST
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Re: Uniquely Positioned (2.00 / 1)

One of several definitions of the word uniquely is "not typical; unusual".

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/u niquely

In that sense, my physical position with respect to Mr. Obama is unique.  He is a local politician for those of us who live next door and we have had better coverage of him than most Americans.

I did not disrespect Obama or his supporters in this diary.  I wish just once you guys would promote your candidate instead of trashing the diarist who does not believe in him.  For an example of how that's done, see HSTruman's post here:
http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/4/19/1 35641/817/15#15
He posted a valid link.  I went there and read it.  It did not change my mind but I gave it a chance and I respect HST for posting it without nastiness.

My point was that Obama had me and he lost me.  And you don't seem to give a damn, from what I see posted on this diary and countless others.  Evidently neither does he, from the looks of the brush-off.  No wonder Clinton supporters can't stomach the thought of voting for Obama.  


by creeper1014 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 07:26:17 PM EST
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A second look (2.00 / 2)

I appreciate this diary because it really resonates with me.  Like creeper, and like so many folks really, I too was very caught up in the enthusiasm surrounding Barack Obama's campaign.  I believe we do need a President that will empower the American people to take back our country.  I know we do need change.  I'm also tired of old politics.

So I listened intently to Barack's speeches, and they got me fired up, as promised.  The media had worked long and hard to convince me that Hillary was some sort of demon, and I believed it.  So when the Potomac Primary came around, I cast my vote proudly for Barack Obama.

Somewhere along the way, though, things changed.

I started to realize that I had let the media do an awful lot of the thinking for me.  I acknowledged that I had never really given a good, honest look at both candidates.  And, having endured the consequence of leadership by "gut" instinct for nearly 8 years, I understood the urgency of being thorough and objective in reaching this important decision.

Maybe it's time to take a second look at these candidates.

Why not?

Has anyone stopped to think about just how far off-message the Obama campaign has been since its unexpected defeat on March 4th?

A message of hope has been replaced with an insistence on the hopelessness of his opponent.

A desire to end old politics has been replaced with character destruction and petty bickering.

A spirit of optimism has been replaced with the celebration of anger.

A call to unity has decayed into a dismissive sense of entitlement, some supporters going so far as to delcare jihad on any member of their own party who does not agree with them.

And lastly, the promise of change remains just that - an empty promise that, to this day, has never been supported by any substantive plan or by any real action that might indicate the Junior Senator is up to this challenge.

At what point do we stop and realize: this is not what I signed up for?


by bobbank on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 03:28:55 PM EST

Time to reconsider? (none / 0)

It's so funny to see a Clinton supporter whine about Obama being off message....

I'm STILL trying to stop spinning from Hillary trying to find her message?

I guess now, I'm FINALLY Clear!

She's a sniper fire ducking, boiler maker shooting duckblind sitting Welsley Grad, who ran probably the worst primary campaign since Bob Dole?

Where in, she let an virtually unknown Ill Senator blow out her commanding lead in Money, Machine, pre-pledeged super-delegates, name recognition.....

Yeah, I better take a second look at her?

Since her negatives have been accelerating, and her trustworthy numbers have tanked even worse, I had better reconsider my vote for Obama?

Nah....


"Well the danger on the rocks is surely past... Still I remain tied to the mast"...Don Fagen, Poet and Piano Player
by WashStateBlue on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 04:24:06 PM EST

Re: "Were You Ever Even Vaguely An Obama Sup (none / 0)

In theory, I was. At one point I was one of those people who said we were happy with our choices in the Democratic primary, and even if our first choice didn't make it, we would easily and cheerfully support the eventual nominee, 'cause they all looked so promising. I harbored Gore fantasies for quite a long time, but the declared candidate that got my support (and my money) was John Edwards. (And boy do I miss him -- seeing him on Colbert last night only served to remind me of how much.)

I was surprised when Edwards dropped out before Super Tuesday, I was really looking forward to voting for him. But I considered the issue that is probably at the very top of my list of concerns -- healthcare, and I used Edwards own words (and those of Paul Krugman) to help make my decision. It seems pretty clear that her plan is the superior one, so it was a pretty easy decision to make.

At that point, I was clear that I was voting for Hillary, but not against Obama. Then the NYTimes ran the story about Exelon and Obama's decision to favor the interests of the corporation that had leaked radioactive material over the interests of the health of his constituents and by the time I pulled the lever for her, I was both voting for her and against him.

Since then my estimation of Barack Obama has been in a rapid and very steep decline, and though I can't think of a situation where I would ever vote for McCain, it is becoming increasingly difficult to imagine a situation where I could vote for Obama either.

So, to answer your question, yes at one point I was at least a theoretical Obama supporter. Now, I have come to view him to be very similar in terms of character and temperament to George W. Bush -- which is to say I find him dangerous. And there's not much worse that I could say about a person than that.


Bitch is the New Black
by Iphie on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 10:33:46 PM EST


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